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and i stand on that. >> larry: sorry, we're out of time. >> don't you tell me that. >> larry: to find out where joan is appearing next including her qvc dates this week, go to our website. cnn.com/larryking. congratulations on 20 years on qvc. >> thank you, my darling. >> larry: time for "anderson cooper ac 360." tonight, he calls it a failure. what's the price of failure? why are the people who ran the system to keep a bomber allowed to keep their jobs? who if anyone is being held accountable? and late-breaking news. and a third party crasher comes to light, sounds funny, right? not when you learn how they got in. you're going to do that tonight. and later from crashers to scooters, we'll talk with dean kamen. he created the segway and a whole lot more about what's coming next. the next decade and what the future hold that's the we don't
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get american kids interested in science. first up, breaking news. new evidence the system set up to keep us all safe when we fly routinely breaks down. this on a day that president obama addresses the christmas bombing attempt. the new evidence tonight that we've learned about centers on that scare at newark airport over the weekend. you've seen the video by now. an entire terminal shut down after somebody went around a screening check point. that video is bad enough. it gets worse. everything was brought to a halt. tonight we're learning that the security cameras that might have identified the culprit who still hasn't been identified, the security cameras were not recording. now, remember, this is one of the airports that the 9/11 hijackers left from. randi kaye has tonight's breaking news. >> here's what we know right now. a cnn spokesperson saying the cameras installed at the airport were not recording. now these are tsa funded cameras installed by the port authority. they are expected to record security breaches and any trouble at these security checkpoints. but in this case, at this airport, an airport where the 9/11 hijackers passed through years ago, those critical
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cameras were not working and not recording. >> we know that the guy, the person who breached security was a male. what else do we know? he wasn't actually caught. >> no. and now i guess really we're learning why he hasn't been caught. we were all scratching our heads for days trying to figure out why this person was never caught and questioned. it turns out the malfunctioning cameras gave him a head start out of the airport. he walked into the terminal where passengers walk out at about 5:00 p.m. in the evening. pretty hard to ask him some questions and do a background check without any video of him. the tsa had to resort in the end to asking continental airlines for help. the airline which has a hub at newark also has cameras in that terminal area c and were able in the end to provide security tape. that didn't make up for the major delay in response time because of those faulty tsa cameras. >> do we know how long they had not been recording? >> we have been trying to get to
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the bottom of that. the tsa not confirming how many cameras were down or how long they had not been recording but our affiliate is recording they were down for about a week. which means they had been down since december 27th. now if you're doing the math here with me, that means that these cameras hadn't been able to record and hadn't been fixed even in the days following the attempted christmas day bombing in detroit. and the heightened security measures. >> what is the tsa doing about it? >> tsa telling us tonight after reviewing the circumstances surrounding the breach, they are checking the security cameras every day to make sure they're working. the question really is, is the tsa planning to do this at every airport around the country or just newark? >> at the newark airport where the 9/11 hijackers where some of them left from, if it's not working there, who knows in the other airports? >> right. time to check the other cameras. on to president obama's first real assessment of the attempted murder of 300 people on christmas day. after meeting with his official os he spoke late today about how a young nigerian man already on a terrorist watch list already
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essentially turned in by his own father carrying a one-way ticket paid for in cash still managed to board an airliner carrying a bomb. >> the u.s. government had sufficient information to have uncover this plot and potentially disrupt the christmas day attack. but our intelligence community failed to connect those dots which would have placed the suspect on the no-fly list. in other words, this was not a failure to collect intelligence. it was a failure to integrate and understand the intelligence we already had. the information was there. agencies and analyst who's needed it had access to it and our professionals were trained to look for it. and to bring it all together. now, i will accept that intelligence by its nature is imperfect. but it is increasingly clear that intelligence was not fully analyzed or fully leveraged. that's not acceptable. and i will not tolerate it.
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time and again we've learned that quickly piecing together information and taking swift action is critical to staying one step ahead of a nimble adversary. so we have to do better and we will do better. and we have to do it quickly. american lives are on the line. so i made it clear today to my team. i want our initial reviews completed this week. i want specific recommendations for corrective actions to fix what went wrong. i want those reforms implemented immediately so that this doesn't happen again and so we can prevent future attacks. and i know that every member of my team that i met with today understands the urgency of getting this right and i appreciate that each of them took responsibility for the shortfalls within their own agencies. >> what is interesting is just like in the bush administration, the wake of hurricane katrina, if you remember. you have a lot of administration officials saying today, look, this is not the time to point fingers. this isn't about laying blame. we've heard that over and over. unless officials actually do take responsibility and accept blame, nothing is going to
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change. the president said today that officials took responsibility but so far, no one has stepped down. no one has been fired. who is involved in this? let's take a look. let's name some names. janet napolitano. secretary of homeland security. the massive agency created after 9/11 attacks. she's come under fire for saying the system worked in this case, though only after the bombing attempt. there is leon panetta. the cia chief. his agency debriefed the bomber's father. what happened to that intelligence after those briefings? michael leiter, the head of the national counter terrorism center. set up specifically to make sure they share intelligence. his boss, dennis blair director of national intelligence specifically responsible for coordinating the intelligence community for connecting dots. john brennan interesting president's homeland security adviser. nonpartisan reputation, a pro. a question mark where the head of the tsa should be. senate republican jim demint is holding up confirmation of the nominee nominee.
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for month. his stated concern is that southers supported it. and finally secretary of state hillary clinton. the state department issues visas they not only had one but it was never revoked when his name landed on the watch list. again no, one stepped down. no one has been fired. what we keep hearing is this is not the time to point fingers. political contributor and strategist paul bugalla and ron christie, policy adviser to president bush. taking a different tone today in the speech. what did you think about it? >> well, barack obama was smoldering today. >> smoldering. >> he is usually very calm and collected and today he was clearly angry, frustrated. i would like to invite paul when he has an opportunity to talk about the president's own responsibility here. whether his name should be on that board that you just showed. but i thought, anderson, he
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made it very clear that his, where he's placing most of the blame based on what he's been hearing is not on the cia. it collected the information well. and not upon the homeland security in terms of screening but he puts the blame as far as we can tell upon the way the intelligence that was collected, those red flags, was then not coordinated. the dots were not connected. that goes to this new organization, the national counter terrorism center. nctc as it is called. and michael leiter is the one some are suggesting may be the fall guy before this is over. he is the guy who runs nctc. we'll have to wait and see. >> what did you think? should the president come back from his vacation? president bush got hammered. should president obama have come back? it is one thing to be smoldering today. this happened on christmas day. >> churchill once said that the americans can always be counted
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upon to do the right thing after they've exhausted every other alternative. and i think the president gave a great statement today. i do have some quibbles with it when i get to it in a minute. as a guy who used to work on these optics, when you give a statement about national security, sir, take the golf shirt on and put a tie. on they have ties in hawaii. i've been. there put one on. and that's when you're the commander-in-chief wherever you are. i would have sent him out earlier or advised him to go out earlier. but even more than that today, i thought did he a very good speech. wish it was four or fooib days ago but that's not important. what i would have advised him to do today was to add that sentence. he said our intelligence community failed to connect the dots. the next sentence should have been, which whatever jfk said after the bay of pigs when the intelligence community failed him. he said but i am the responsible officer of this government. when kennedy did that, by the way, his approval rating, the gallup poll went up to 86% and his negative rating went down to 5%. if the president had done that, it would have bolstered those intelligence operatives and officials.
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we've got people in intelligence in this country and around the world who are risking their lives for us and they're pretty demoralized right now. and i'm for finger pointing. i am. but i'm also for a leader who lifts them up and says you are risking your lives for us and i'm going to back you up. even when you stumble i'm going to back you up. >> what did you think? >> i think it was a week too late, anderson. i think he hit many of the right chords and the right themes the american people were expecting to hear from their president. it was justifiably outraged. i think that outrage should have been expressed not only on christmas day but the president, from if he didn't come home early from his trip to hawaii. should have convened a similar meeting to what he had today out in hawaii. the white house can travel anywhere around the world. the white house has the ability to bring in people via teleconference. i think the american people were looking for more than a muted response from the president. the president seemed almost if not disinterested. i'm not suggesting that he because, but he was very, very
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muted in his response and only after the outcry came both in the media and the people on both sides of the political spectrum that his team swing into ac. i agree with what paul just said. i think the president should have ultimately taken responsibility and said regardless of the failures in the government, the buck stops with me. i am your commander-in-chief. i take responsibility for not safeguarding the american people. >> i want to hear more from david and paul and you, ron, as well. a quick break. and we have a lot of people to hear from. you can join the debate in the live chat. also, remember the talk about closing down schools that train kids in jihad? they're still open. we'll look at schools that turn kids into suicide bombers. and how a third person crashed that white house state dinner and how his experience highlights smf othe same shortcomings that allowed this christmas bomber on to the airplane. i was short of breath,
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disaster way. he has asked them to fix the watch list problem. he has ordered tighter airport screening and has promised to unveil more in the coming days. he is not, however, demanding resignations. at least not yet. we're also joined in the airport security angle by steven flynn, president of the center for national policy and author of "the edge of disaster, rebuilding a resilient nation." president obama said today that he added steps to improve security. it sounds like a lot of good stuff. is it just feel good measures? >> some of it is more on the feel-good side of things. there are limits what can be done to secure aircraft. we've seen obviously a lot of big gaps here. the most important gap was that we had, i would call it a smoking gun. that is the father of the terrorist came and gave us a critical piece of information and the system didn't deal with that information. after that, everything we're
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doing is basically trying to catch with a bit of a filter what goes on here. another very important piece, of course, was that passengers were very important in this as well. one of the, the fact that the passengers were intercepting the bombmaker at the end, that was also very important. clearly one of the issues we need to do is take a deep breath. this is hard. and our government to some extent is failing itself. failing all of us. it is overselling what these tools can do. they have to do a better job of informing us about what the limits are, what the threats are and engaging all of us. so it is coming a little more clean. we don't get into the blame gaming afterwards. >> sarah palin posted a statement on facebook blasting the president for putting the christmas bomber in the court system. do you buy that? >> i don't fully buy that, no, i don't.
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cnn had the views of fbi leaders today who said, the interrogation of this fellow has already produced some good intelligence. and we've had cases in the past that, with the shoe bomber who went to a civilian court and we got information from him. i want to go back to what steven said about taking a deep breath. at the end of the day, all human systems in a very complex world are going to have failures. and we ought to appreciate that. that it will happen. we've got a lot of good people working on the front lines, as paul has underscored. and yes, we had a failure here. but there is a silver lining. that is, i think this failure didn't result in any deaths and it was a huge wake-up call within the obama administration on the intelligence side. danny blair, the intelligence adviser today said we got the message. i think you'll see far more
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urgency and seriousness and focus in the white house and the administration on these kinds of threats. so i think we need to understand what went wrong. we need to get to the bottom of this. perhaps a couple of heads should roll. but at the end of the day we should be thankful that nobody got killed here and we may be thankful this is going to be a serious wake-up call. >> is it fair for sarah palin to be blasting the president on this? under the bush administration, richard reid was put into the court system. as was zacarias moussaoui, the convicted 20th terrorist on 9/11. of course, it's not fair. but as a democrat, it is great. you know? there are thoughtful and responsible and expert critics in the republican party on national security. earlier john negroponte was on who had served president bush and many others. tom ridge former homeland security director. general powell, of course, maybe the most respected man in america.
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these voices then get drowned out by sarah palin, dick cheney, and i have to say this, as a political operative, there is nothing the white house wants more than to see sarah palin, dick cheney, discredited people, attacking them. that rallies normal person to their side. if the republicans were wise, they would have more of their thoughtful critics out there like those others that i named. >> but, ron, you say it is wrong for this guy to be put into the court system. >> it is wrong. when zacarias moussaoui was brought up in trial in alexandria, virginia, he made a spectacle of the american system of justice. i think the president of the united states has a solemn responsibility to obtain credible information to prevent future attacks giving this young man the rights of the american civil justice system and denies us the opportunity to treat him as a combatant. the supreme court has held the legality of military tribunals where they don't have to give them due process rights. this is a country, america, that is at war right now and treating this issue as a legal matter is a terrible mistake particularly when this terrorist
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individual in question has already indicated there are other people who are seeking to come to the united states to carry out terrorist acts. we need to treat this as a matter of war. >> did you give that speech when mr. bush and mr. cheney were prosecuting mr. moussaoui? you were in the white house. did you resign in protest? >> the difference here, of course, is that richard reid was on an airplane. we did not have the same system in place after 9/11 that we do here now. why after we know that there is credible information that seems to indicate that there are people who want to launch attacks in the very short term should we not take every step possible and necessary to obtain that, rather than let's give him his miranda rights and let him clam up and let his lawyer due the negotiating. don't forget that he said we are seeking a plea deal. we don't need a plea deal. we need to seek the information that they have so that president obama can keep this country safe. >> i think one of the key usual use is raising the notion of war on terror. let's talk specifically about what terrorists are trying to do.
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the goal of our adversaries engaging in terror is to get us to overreact. the goal is to basically get a big bang for their buck. when we show that we're not a very resilient society themselves unraveled these. we get into these fits. this is not good. this is what motivates terrorism to take place on our soil. one of the important ingredients this reminded us, a good defense is important. we have a long way to go. we have poor security systems. we have issues with chemical refineries and power grids. and what i worry about, the morning after problem. if there is an attack or attempted attacks like this on those systems and it looks like we haven't done much, and we have not done much, then the public understandably gets outraged. we're saying we're at war but we're not taking basic preventive measures to safeguards things that are critical. we're not sharing information with the american people and engaging them. that's the important message going forward. this is a war we would all have to be a part of. >> i want to thank you all for your time.
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up next, little kids being made into suicide bombers. we found a school where it starts with radical islam and the aim is to graduate suicide bombers. also, how there'd person crashed the white house dinner. this is, you have to see this to believe it. we've talked about what it says about bureaucracy still not sharing information. and still not taking respon ability. hey, who's this? oh, that's kyle. he aced his fifth grade geography class. you see, now that we're using fedex to ship globally, i have to learn all the countries again,
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tonight we know even more about the jordanian double agent that killed seven. we've learned his name.
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he was also a doctor known for his extremist views and recruited by jordanian officials as a counter intelligence source. the jordanian official told us authorities arrested him more than a year ago for "suspicious information related to him and then released him to a lack of evidence. jordanian and u.s. intelligence agencies thought he had been rehabilitated from his extremist views. obviously they were dead wrong. you know, one of the things the 9/11 commission identified as a problem was these religious schools in pakistan which are free for poor kids and which essentially trains them to become killers. there was a lot of talk years ago about eliminating the schools. as you're about to see, they're very much still there. we look at a place used to train kids to become suicide bombers. >> reporter: the images could not be more disturbing. children being trained by the pakistani taliban. on military exercises. and even more chilling, carrying out executions. how does this happen?
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how are children brainwashed into taking up the fight for the taliban? we find some clues just a 15-minute drive from a pakistani military base in south waziristan. a volatile area until recently was a stronghold of the taliban. after three days of fierce fighting, the pakistani military took over this compound. they say that they knew it was a training facility of sorts for suicide bombers. they suspected that maybe children were involved. what they didn't know or realize was the level of indoctrination. the military says it learned that the taliban used this compound to brainwash boys as young as 12 years old. perhaps as many as 300 of them. >> reporter: the children were told that images like this is what awaited them in heaven. here, for for example, we're told that a river that symbolizes milk and honey on its banks, virgins and heavenly creatures. this picture shows a home
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similar to those in this area but set against a lush back drop. written across it, long live the taliban of the mountains. >> i've never seen this kind of elaborate painting. >> reporter: an expert on the taliban has talked with many children who have been in such training centers. he says, these images would easily captivate boys in this part of pakistan. they grow up in abject poverty, surrounded by this harsh landscape with no exposure to the outside world. and they are easily manipulated. >> they tell them look actually this is a waste of life here. and if you do a good thing then you will directly to go heaven. >> reporter: he says it is a complete distortion of islam but one the children fervently believe. the taliban denied this compound was under their control but it acknowledged it's training
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children from pakistan, afghanistan, central asia and the middle east to be suicide bombers. parents sent their children to this center for the free food and religious education. the military says the taliban have other plans for them. dozens were killed in this marketplace after a teenager blew himself up in october. although there are no statistics on how many suicide attacks are carried out by teens, the government realizes, it is a growing problem. he agrees. >> almost 90% of the suicide bombers, if we look at the profile, they are between 12 to 18. >> reporter: innocent children turned into cold-blooded killers, fooled by fantastic images of paradise. arwa damon, cnn, pakistan. >> it was just hard to imagine. still ahead, a mysterious
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tonight, surveillance, the bus driver is drunk and a girl pleading with her to stop the chaos. 37 kids on the bus. the driver now sentenced. we'll tell but it. first let's go over some other stories we're covering. a deadly plane crash in a chicago suburb. a pilot and co-pilot died when their small cargo jet crashed into a forest preserve just a
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mile short ofchuck's executive airport. and ended up in a river. the crew never report an emergency. a 360 follow on the mysterious death of casey johnson. a 30-year-old heiress to the johnson & johnson empire was found dead in her home on monday. the l.a. county coroner's office has performed an autopsy. it turns out it is inconclusive. toxicology tests have been ordered. examiners are also considering her medical history and her diabetes. and in toledo, ohio, a woman punched through a window because chicken nuggets were not available and she jumped out of the window. she has pleaded not guilty to vandalism charges. that reminds me of a story from last march, a woman made an emergency 911 call from a mcdonald's. listen.
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>> what is in those chicken mcnuggets. >> they're like magic. >> they sure are. >> make people crazy. >> that woman was issued a citation for misusing the 911 system for getting those chicken mcnuggets. >> who knew. big maces i can see. >> chicken mcnuggets, i don't know. time for our winners and daily challenge to viewers. we're telling you to come one a better caption. tonight's photo, kim kardashian and chloe kardashian at a game between the lakers and dallas mavericks. our staff winner tonight is steve. jack gray is following us on twitter.
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just for the record, he does not follow them on twitter. >> they might be following him, actually. >> no. i don't think they're following him on twitter. i don't think they would get it. >> laura, that is really good. your t-shirt is on the way. >> send her some chicken mcnuggets. the latest on a breaking news. the latest major security breach at newark airport. plus new d.c. about the third white house party crasher. how a d.c. party promoter apparently got into president obama's first state dinner without an invitation. why hasn't anyone been fired as a result of it? why isn't anyone standing up and taking responsibility? we'll ask sally quinn and frank townsend. and later, i don't think this is what dean kamen had in mind. we'll talk about his vision for the future.
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updating our breaking news, cameras that should have picked up the security breach in newark over the weekend were broken. we may never know who walked past the check point through the outdoors sunday evening. our affiliate in new york is reporting that tsa funded cameras had been down since december 27th.
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in other words, they hadn't even been fixed even after the christmas bombing attempt. and this is the airport that some of the 9/11 hijackers left from. more intrigue tonight about the gate crashing of president obama's first white house state dinner. the one for the indian prime minister in november. the salahis strolled in without an invitation. now it turns out that carlos allen, this is believed to be him looking over his shoulder there, walking with his back toward the camera, another gate crasher. he got in with the indian delegation. it turns out he has a connection with mrs. salahi. they both mingled at a party last june in washington. photographed together. the image is from a set of photos on his hush galleria website. he told cnn that he just met her the night this photo was taken and that he doesn't actually know her. and allen's lawyer told the "washington post," the two never spoke to each other about the state dinner and they did not meet in the white house. but on allen's facebook page, he said he is a fan of mrs. salahi
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and he does have his arm around her in that photo officially more importantly, the breach of security, to let three gate crash enters into the white house. joining us sally quin and francis townsend, under president bush, the homeland security adviser. the two white house crashers and now a third. how could this happen? >> well, it is baffling but i will tell you, this is a very different fact set than the salahis. the salahis themselves entered the compound. this is an individual who figured out, however he did, where the indian delegation was staying. those people, the delegation is under the control of the state department office of protocol who then takes the delegation as a whole to the secret service where they're screened. apparently this guy inserted himself in that state department protocol delegation before they were screened by secret service. once he got screened, he got put in with the rest of them and got
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escorted, by the wearing to the white house where he was able to enter. it doesn't make the breach any less devastating but it is different than the way they, that the salahis did it. i will tell you, i understand that director sullivan ordered in the spring before all this happened, a large scale complete review of presidential security. that's ongoing. and obviously the salahis, this, all have been added into that mix. but he has asked others, anderson, others from the outside from prior administrations to take a look and to make suggestions if he needs to strengthen it. >> you write in your column, and i quote, one of the fifrs lessons they need to learn is that somebody has to take a hit for whatever goes wrong. nobody has stood up and taken responsibility or resigned or been fired for this. >> i think that what happened at the white house was as big a security breach as the christmas day bomber situation. because the white house should be the most secure place in the entire world. and the president could well have been assassinated if one of these three people had had
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explosives in his or her underwear. so the idea that three people separately could come, walk right into the white house with no identification at all and no screening and just march right in there, i think, is -- >> who do you think should be held responsible? >> in the case of the white house situation, i think the social secretary desiree rogers. and the head of the secret service sullivan, both should be held responsible. and i think they both should resign. >> that's desiree right there. >> it's much clearer than the bombing situation. because there are so many intelligence agency involved in that. you've got the cia and then you've got the director of national intelligence who was supposed to be the one to sort of collate all of this. then you have the terrorism crowd and homeland security and the fbi. it is really hard not to do finger pointing on that
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situation. the white house situation, will there was not a single person from the social secretary's office sitting outside at a table with a list checking off the names. that is just unheard of. >> at least the head of the secret service went to testify before congress. the social secretary, the white house decided not to send her because they thought it would be inappropriate. and has really, i guess, said nothing publicly about it. what do you think needs to be done with security procedures to make sure this doesn't happen again? >> well, anderson, let's be clear, mark sullivan didn't just go up to congress. he went up and took hit. he said secret service made a mistake and he was committed to strengthening the secret service and improving their procedures. he has set about doing it. they've reviewed protocols. they're reviewing the security procedures. i'm not sure i know what gets gained by firing mark sullivan had head of the secret service. when what we really need, he is an experienced career on that
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of the secret service. we need him to lead this review and tell us how we can do it better. when i was at the white house, mark sullivan came to me. it was mark sullivan's idea to monitor open source material, looking for hate speech. and it was because of that that we put secret service protection on then senator obama earlier than any other candidate. he also, mark sullivan, led the secret service through the inauguration, the conventions. this is a man with a real esteemed record of protection. so i think before we go about firing him, we ought to give him a chance to fix the problem. >> sally, you observed washington for a long time. it seems people used to resign honorably because mistakes were made. is that just gone? that whole idea? >> well, that is a larger point. that the president of the united states needs to be protected. and everybody, and i'm talking
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about from a publicity point of view now. and a perception point of view. not physically as well. but everybody who worked for the president is a hired hand. and everyone has to be a loyalist. and their one job is to make the president look good and to make it appear that he is strong and a good leader and confident. and what happens when there are these terrible mistakes, and breaches of security, and nothing happens, and desiree rogers doesn't even bother to go up to the senate to testify. you have a situation where it looks like the president is incompetent and that he's weak and so what somebody needs to do is to say, i'm going to take the hit. because that way, it will take the onus off of the president of the united states and it will make him look stronger and make him look like a better leader. not only among our people in the united states, but for people all over the world. otherwise it looks like he's lost control of the situation. >> anderson, the president did do that. the white house military office had, as you'll recall, because
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of the flyover in manhattan, he did resign. i agree with sally. i think that is absolutely true when it comes to political leadership. it is the responsibility. hired guns to take the hit for the president. mark sullivan, the director of the secret service is not a hired gun. that's the distinction. i appreciate you being on. coming up next, find out what happened today to the school dus driver who was drunk while driving. she was sentenced. did the judge throw the book at her? find out. plus, we have been testing out segways in honor of our guest. i'll try to ride one in a moment. the man who invented them, dean kamen is coming up and we talk about the future and what's next in technology and how your life is going to be different 10, 20 years from now.
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why am i riding a segway? we're launching a new segment called what's next? we talk to leaders about what's
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next on the horizon. sort of a crystal ball for the decade ahead. we couldn't think of a better person to kick off this project than dean kamen. the ground breaking inventor who brought the world the segway with a lot of other innovations. he is an entrepreneur for science and technology. like all creative pioneers, he sees possibilities way before the rest of us can even imagine them. like the segway. we talk with him about what is on his mind as we begin a new decade. >> let's talk about health care. congress had pass some sort of health care reform within the past couple months, likely. are they getting it right? has the debate been the right one? >> well, i don't think we've had a health care debate. we've had a debate about who should pay. should it be the insurance company? should it be, they say, the government, of course, if the government pays, it is a
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question of who should the government pass on the cost to? should it be individuals? businesses? i think there has been a big debate on how we finance our health care. what there needs to be a big revolution about, or a forum about is how we deliver the best health care. how we get more efficiency. how we get more effectiveness. >> as you hear the current rhetoric being thrown around, it is about paying less, getting more. that's just pandering, according to you. >> i think it is safe to say that if more people are going to get more health care and it is going to be better health care, and it is going to be for hope play the longer productive life, it is unlikely you're going to get all of those things and that whole package will cost less than it does now. so i think we need, if we want to drive absolute costs down, we need innovation. >> when you think about what's coming next in terms of technology, you look to private industry. you look to people like yourself to inoivators and not to government for solutions. >> all you have to do is look at history. a whole lot of great innovations
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that occurred. and virtually all of them occurred because some innovator, some entrepreneur, some small group of people that had a big idea just wouldn't quit. it was the wright brothers that brought us airplanes, not the federal aviation administration. >> as you look to the future, the u.s. has been the leader in technological innovation over the last 100 years. do you see that continuing? or do you think that's really threatened? >> i think this country from the day it got started has led the world in technology. it is what allowed this country to go and grow and get strong and become the model for the world. what i'm a little afraid of is this is the first generation that is growing up, where its kids may not be the most technically capable of being in a real leadership in innovation in the world. >> probably a stupid question but how do you innovate? you invented the segway scooter.
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you've developed this prosthetic arm, the luke, which is just extraordinary. we have some pictures of it. we can show it. it is amazing compared to what has come before it. how do you do this? >> well, first you collect a lot of really, really smart people. and then you encourage them to have big ideas and you support a courageous vision. and sometimes it means you're going to fail and you're going to fail again and fail a third time. but again, part of what's happened to our country is it has gotten a little, let's say older and more mature like people when they get old and mature you get a little more conservative. a little more risk averse. and our whole culture has aged that way. when you go around the rest of the world now, what i think america ought to be very concerned about is the rest of the world, even the relatively poor countries, are focused like a laser beam on getting their kids really smart.
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giving them a really strong work ethic. particularly giving them capabilities in science technology and innovating. there is no stimulus package this country could possibly put together that will have a better return than stimulating the next generation of kids in this country to be for the 21st century, our thomas edison, and our wilbur and orville wright and the google boys. every kid watching your show knows britney spears, paris hilton. they all know who is winning the race to the super bowl. who is winning the race to the room temperature super conductor? that will change the way we make and distribute energy. >> do you think 20 years from now we'll be doing things on a daily basis that, "a" we cannot even imagine and "b," make our lives seem antiquated? >> i think most of the kids in high school particularly the ones that are getting prepared for the 21st century world, most of the kids in high school that are in the exciting forefront jobs 20 years from today will be in a
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career that hasn't been described or defined yet, doing things that you don't even have a word for. 20 years ago, there was no such thing as google. kids didn't know what google was or what texting was. and now it is part of infrastructure of everybody's life. >> are there three items you can't live without? >> you know, do you mean that exist today? or that i hope will exist soon? >> either one. >> well, the one that sadly i don't think will come about in my lifetime, the one i've always wanted is a time machine. the only thing that ever really scares me is the fact that life is short. and you can't do everything i work as much as i can, as hard as i can, but you can't do everything. i would like a time machine. i don't think i'll see that. >> dean kaman. thanks for being with us. >> you're very welcome. >> a really fascinating guy. you can watch the rest of the interview on my website. we talked a lot more, all a good interview, check it out.
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segwaynyc.com for letting us borrow these segways. he gave us tours around new york city. you can hear more from him on sanjay gupta md. watch that at 7:30 a.m. eastern saturday and sunday. maybe i'll challenge sanjay to a segway race. tomorrow, we'll continue our focus on the future and i'll talk to isaac mizrahi on what's next. up next, my former nba star jayson williams is in trouble with the law again. and a dramatic video of a frightening ride. students pleading with a drunk school bus driver to let them off the bus. >> the driver was sentenced today. we'll have details ahead later tonight. , well, that's nice. but you can still see him! you just said he was in... copenhagen. come on! that's pretty far. doc, look who's in town. ellen!
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we're following some other important stories. randi kaye has a news and business bulletin. former nba player jayson williams has been charged with drunken driving after crashing his suv into a tree right here in manhattan. police charged williams at the hospital where he was treated for some minor injuries. williams is awaiting retrial on manslaughter charges related to the shooting death of his limo driver back in 2002. remember this frantic scene? the former western new york school bus driver has been sentenced to 90 days in jail for drunk driving. martha thompson faces six months of home monitoring and a $1,000 fine. during the incident last may, several teens on the bus pleaded with her to pull over. the teens led the younger students off the bus while thompson yelled at them to stay
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on board. mixed results for u.s. auto makers at the end of 2009. at ford, sales surged from a year ago but gm reported a 6% decline. and chrysler sales dipped 4%. all three posted double-digit losses for the entire year. the only major automaker with a gain for the year was hyundai with a 9% sales jump. and has iphone met its match? google unveiled this. calling it their super phone. unlike the iphone, you're not tied to one phone company. you'll have a choice. t-mobile is the first provider. verizon will come on board later. the nexus one costs $180 with a contract, or $530 unlocked, leaving it open to other carriers. >> we'll see how it is to type. >> maybe not that easy. >> i hope so. i hope it's easy. we'll see. >> we'll see. much more to come. florida is in a deep freeze myself relatives in mississippi are very cold. record cold temperatures are forcingarven with to stay warm, including chimps at miami's metro zoo. that's tonight's shot.
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take a look at how they use burlap to stay warm. that's samantha. a 40-year-old female preferring to hunker down in a sunny spot. the 8-year-old ben tries to use burlap as a scarf there. apparently it wasn't doing the trick so he threw it over his head. those darn monkeys. up next, serious doubt. president obama saying the system failed. why hasn't he fired anyone? there's a big reason to lower high cholesterol... dangerous plaque that can build up in arteries. it's called atherosclerosis--or athero.
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and high cholesterol is a major factor. but crestor can help slow the buildup of plaque in arteries. go to arterytour.com and take an interactive tour to learn how plaque builds up. and then ask your doctor if crestor is right for you. along with diet, crestor does more than lower bad cholesterol and raise good. crestor is proven to slow the buildup of plaque in arteries. crestor isn't for everyone, like people with liver disease, or women who are nursing, pregnant, or may become pregnant. simple blood tests will check for liver problems. you should tell your doctor about other medicines you're taking or if you have muscle pain or weakness. that could be a sign of serious side effects. learn more about plaque buildup at arterytour.com. then ask your doctor if it's time for crestor. if you can't afford your medication, astrazeneca may be able to help.

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